All right, I solved the whole issue with the two co-wives pretty niftily... So Anya Arryn gets a little brother, Vardis, who is sickly (hemophilia coupled with pneumonia, other complaints). They lose their dad early on, Vardis I becomes king of the Vale with Waymar, who heals him (through physical exercises, at first coaxing the widowed queen mother, for the hemophilia... and herbs for other issues) for a regent. The character Vardis would resemble Robin Arryn, but rather be based upon Aleksei Romanov, Waymar Stone being Rasputin-- kind of.
Haemophilia would be treated like a family curse... the Waynwood Curse, from Queen Ursula's maiden name. And the boy king... name thoughts changed. His short-lived father would be the one called Vardis... his own name would be Lyn. Lyn Arryn... So I'd refer to haemophilia as the Waynwood Curse, which Lyn Arryn has inherited (firewater, drinker's fever... there is a knack for Westeros-sounding names in here) Lyn would fulfil the role of the advisor's daughter/third wife in the book. So, Mya, Anya, and Lyn. Mya daughter of Conn, Anya Arryn (keeps her maiden name upon marrying) and Lyn Arryn. And the weirwood throne in the Eyrie.
Plus, add that Byron had made fortune as a sellsword captain, references to the Prisoner of Chillon (Lord Byron+the real-life Eyrie), give him a Braavosi fake name... (something like Syrio or Tycho...) The plan was to have some mercy upon him and pair him with Mya, who takes him as compensation for letting Waymar return with the Valefolk. Spare the prick and give him a badass wife of the Burned Men who will beat the heck out of him!
Anyway, this is supposed to be a Cinderella story, with Waymar Stone being the b****rd son of some village-born kitchen maid and Ser Godric (!) Hardyng (landed knight sworn to the Queen's household, the Waynwoods), Waymar being the second son of His Lordship and his Waynwood wife, the Queen's sister (Byron: trueborn). Waymar is also a middle child, in between Adrian and Eon, the middle son of three, and I think of him as Stannis crossed with Joff (!!!)
There would be a youngest Hardyng child, an infant at the time of Waymar's and Byron's departure, a girl called Arwen, the same age as Lyn. The story would end with the fostering and hints of the marriage of these two, arranged by the Regent, once he has made the story known to his family at the Hardyng keep.
All right, I solved the whole issue with the two co-wives pretty niftily... So Anya Arryn gets a little brother, Lyn, who is sickly (hemophilia coupled with pneumonia, other complaints). They lose their dad early on, and Lyn I becomes king of the Vale with Waymar, who heals him (through physical exercises, at first coaxing the widowed queen mother, for the hemophilia... and herbs for other issues) for a regent. The character Lyn would resemble Robin Arryn, but rather be based upon Aleksei Romanov, Waymar Stone being Rasputin-- kind of.
Waymar's character and leave-taking of Mya, who breaks up with him calling him a traitor when he leaves the clan of the Burned Men to tend to the young royals. The fact that he was born a bastard, saved by a savage clan in the Mountains of the Moon, and now becomes Regent and an important person at court. Waymar's having one foot in each culture would be interesting to explore. These clans are descendants of the First Men who refused to bow to the Andals (ancestors of the Valefolk), so they still would believe in the old gods (vs. the Seven): beign Waymar Stone and Waymar son of Godric, believing in the old gods and the new, third-culture in between two feuding cultures...
And Byron/Oryon (false name he gives): who at first commands and beats his stepbrother before betraying him, kind of to let go of all those frustrations. Will he develop a suntan? Being a sellsword in a land of knights like the Vale, an outsider... I'd like to see him step into Waymar's shoes as an outsider during this recruitment quest and arrest (mistaken for clanfolk!) and trial and imprisonment... the Moon Door and Chillon-like sky-cells would do for a lot of drama, vertigo, angst...
The Burned Men being considered evil and crazy by the Valefolk, for overrunning villages and all that. An orphaned Mya, leader no matter how young she is, saving Waymar from the inn on fire, and tending to his injuries, against her clanfolk's prejudice. Waymar doing the self-mutilation ritual with a lock of his curly copper-red hair. Mention of bride stealing, and Mya's saving of Waymar justified when she tells the others she is stealing a bridegroom.
And Waymar's difficulties until he, little by little, gains a niche at court.
In the end, Byron is spared, yet banished to the Mountains of the Moon, where Mya spirits him away and marries him as compensation for the loss of Waymar. Add that Mya changed Byron's attitude, TotS style (yet gender-flipped, with a female tamer and male shrew).
Waymar's character and leave-taking of Mya, who breaks up with him calling him a traitor when he leaves the clan of the Burned Men to tend to the young royals. The fact that he was born a bastard, saved by a savage clan in the Mountains of the Moon, and now becomes Regent and an important person at court. Waymar's having one foot in each culture would be interesting to explore. These clans are descendants of the First Men who refused to bow to the Andals (ancestors of the Valefolk), so they still would believe in the old gods (vs. the Seven): beign Waymar Stone and Waymar son of Godric, believing in the old gods and the new, third-culture in between two feuding cultures...
And Byron/Tycho (false name he gives): who at first commands and beats his stepbrother before betraying him, kind of to let go of all those frustrations. Will he develop a suntan? Being a sellsword in a land of knights like the Vale, an outsider (he would wear a Braavosi mask together with his brightly coloured sellsword officer's garb)... I'd like to see him step into Waymar's shoes as an outsider during this recruitment quest and arrest (mistaken for an ally of clanfolk!) and trial and imprisonment... the Moon Door and Chillon-like sky-cells would do for a lot of drama, vertigo, angst...
The Burned Men being considered evil and crazy by the Valefolk, for overrunning villages and all that. An orphaned Mya, leader no matter how young she is, saving Waymar from the inn on fire, and tending to his injuries, against her clanfolk's prejudice. Waymar doing the self-mutilation ritual with a lock of his curly copper-red hair. Mention of bride stealing, and Mya's saving of Waymar justified when she tells the others she is stealing a bridegroom.
And Waymar's difficulties until he, little by little, gains a niche at court.
In the end, Byron is spared, yet banished to the Mountains of the Moon, where Mya spirits him away and marries him as compensation for the loss of Waymar. Add that Mya changed Byron's attitude, TotS style (yet gender-flipped, with a female tamer and male shrew).
When Byron leaves Waymar to die in the inn stormed by the Burned Men, he should have got his stepbro drunk in advance, so that Waymar was unconscious when Byron fled for the coast and left him at the mercy of both the flames and the savages.
The original story was also an ancient version of what I call the Monte Cristo plot (like Joseph of the Dreamcoat), a darker take on a gender-flipped Cinderella. Waymar would remind us of Dantès/Joseph, with a rather strange hill maiden, reminiscent of the robber maiden in TSQ-V, as the abbé/cupbearer/"fairy godmother" character.
And a little Rasputin (healing the queen's children, particularly her sickly little only son) thrown in, plus the usual feud between Valefolk and hillfolk (it would be like the Flemish and Walloons or something like that plus feuds between colonialists and natives across our planet--- <3 how Westeros parallels real history)
Valefolk/hillfolk divide: colonialists/natives (Andals/1st Men) for sure. As for the Flanders/Wallonia parallel? The Valefolk are the ones who came from abroad (Flemish, Middle Ages), while the hillfolk = natives (Walloons, same time). Yet their case is closer to that of the Basque and Romans/Basque and Castilians in Spain, or those of colonialism mentioned by you. (Something more akin to our Flemish would be the Reachfolk and descendants of Reachfolk living in the less industrial/refined North, the Northerners being the Walloons)
"(Something more akin to our Flemish would be the Reachfolk and descendants of Reachfolk living in the less industrial/refined North, the Northerners being the Walloons)" Like Jorah's wife and the people of White Harbour, for instance. The Northern Reachfolk would also somewhat equal the Hanseatics in the German Realm/HRE, sort of. But their case is more like the Flemish in the Benelux, or like all the Hanseatic, Dutch, and Wallonian refugees in Sweden (that foreign-born Swedish bourgeoisie). The way they have adapted to more hinterlandish surroundings and culture is rather relevant...
Northern Reachfolk=Swedish bourgeoisie: that's the perfect parallel. "Hanseatic, Dutch, and Wallonian refugees in Sweden (that foreign-born Swedish bourgeoisie)." Worth noting for further ado of historical AUs.
But let's stop horsing around and get back to discussing our chapter!
One last word about Northern Reachfolk: their case is kind of interesting, proving that they are either descendants of misplaced refugees or brides/wives sent up north for marriages of convenience (Lynesse Mormont née Hightower being a case of the latter). The bourgeois of White Harbour and the Reach wives of Northern lords have to be told apart as different kinds of "Northern Reachfolk": those brought up north by war and those brought up north by marriage.
All right, I solved the whole issue with the two co-wives pretty niftily...
ResponderEliminarSo Anya Arryn gets a little brother, Vardis, who is sickly (hemophilia coupled with pneumonia, other complaints). They lose their dad early on, Vardis I becomes king of the Vale with Waymar, who heals him (through physical exercises, at first coaxing the widowed queen mother, for the hemophilia... and herbs for other issues) for a regent. The character Vardis would resemble Robin Arryn, but rather be based upon Aleksei Romanov, Waymar Stone being Rasputin-- kind of.
Haemophilia would be treated like a family curse... the Waynwood Curse, from Queen Ursula's maiden name. And the boy king... name thoughts changed. His short-lived father would be the one called Vardis... his own name would be Lyn. Lyn Arryn...
EliminarSo I'd refer to haemophilia as the Waynwood Curse, which Lyn Arryn has inherited (firewater, drinker's fever... there is a knack for Westeros-sounding names in here)
Lyn would fulfil the role of the advisor's daughter/third wife in the book.
So, Mya, Anya, and Lyn. Mya daughter of Conn, Anya Arryn (keeps her maiden name upon marrying) and Lyn Arryn. And the weirwood throne in the Eyrie.
Plus, add that Byron had made fortune as a sellsword captain, references to the Prisoner of Chillon (Lord Byron+the real-life Eyrie), give him a Braavosi fake name... (something like Syrio or Tycho...)
The plan was to have some mercy upon him and pair him with Mya, who takes him as compensation for letting Waymar return with the Valefolk. Spare the prick and give him a badass wife of the Burned Men who will beat the heck out of him!
Anyway, this is supposed to be a Cinderella story, with Waymar Stone being the b****rd son of some village-born kitchen maid and Ser Godric (!) Hardyng (landed knight sworn to the Queen's household, the Waynwoods), Waymar being the second son of His Lordship and his Waynwood wife, the Queen's sister (Byron: trueborn). Waymar is also a middle child, in between Adrian and Eon, the middle son of three, and I think of him as Stannis crossed with Joff (!!!)
There would be a youngest Hardyng child, an infant at the time of Waymar's and Byron's departure, a girl called Arwen, the same age as Lyn.
The story would end with the fostering and hints of the marriage of these two, arranged by the Regent, once he has made the story known to his family at the Hardyng keep.
All right, I solved the whole issue with the two co-wives pretty niftily...
EliminarSo Anya Arryn gets a little brother, Lyn, who is sickly (hemophilia coupled with pneumonia, other complaints). They lose their dad early on, and Lyn I becomes king of the Vale with Waymar, who heals him (through physical exercises, at first coaxing the widowed queen mother, for the hemophilia... and herbs for other issues) for a regent. The character Lyn would resemble Robin Arryn, but rather be based upon Aleksei Romanov, Waymar Stone being Rasputin-- kind of.
So here would the family trees be:
EliminarWAYNWOODS:
Lady/Queen Ursula = Adrian II Arryn: Anya, Lyn
Lady Deana = Ser Godric Hardyng (= kitchen maid, Rena): Adrian, Byron, Eon, Arwen (Waymar)
Waymar Stone (<3 Mya daughter of Conn) = Anya Arryn
Byron Hardyng/Oryon Volter = Mya daughter of Conn
Lyn Arryn = Arwen Hardyng
Last-second name change:
EliminarWAYNWOODS:
Lady/Queen Ursula = Adrian II Arryn: Anya, Lyn
Lady Deana = Ser Godric Hardyng (= kitchen maid, Rena): Adrian, Byron, Eon, Arwen (Waymar)
Waymar Stone (<3 Mya daughter of Conn) = Anya Arryn
Byron Hardyng/Tycho Volter = Mya daughter of Conn
Lyn Arryn = Arwen Hardyng
Waymar's character and leave-taking of Mya, who breaks up with him calling him a traitor when he leaves the clan of the Burned Men to tend to the young royals. The fact that he was born a bastard, saved by a savage clan in the Mountains of the Moon, and now becomes Regent and an important person at court. Waymar's having one foot in each culture would be interesting to explore.
ResponderEliminarThese clans are descendants of the First Men who refused to bow to the Andals (ancestors of the Valefolk), so they still would believe in the old gods (vs. the Seven): beign Waymar Stone and Waymar son of Godric, believing in the old gods and the new, third-culture in between two feuding cultures...
And Byron/Oryon (false name he gives): who at first commands and beats his stepbrother before betraying him, kind of to let go of all those frustrations. Will he develop a suntan? Being a sellsword in a land of knights like the Vale, an outsider... I'd like to see him step into Waymar's shoes as an outsider during this recruitment quest and arrest (mistaken for clanfolk!) and trial and imprisonment... the Moon Door and Chillon-like sky-cells would do for a lot of drama, vertigo, angst...
The Burned Men being considered evil and crazy by the Valefolk, for overrunning villages and all that.
An orphaned Mya, leader no matter how young she is, saving Waymar from the inn on fire, and tending to his injuries, against her clanfolk's prejudice.
Waymar doing the self-mutilation ritual with a lock of his curly copper-red hair.
Mention of bride stealing, and Mya's saving of Waymar justified when she tells the others she is stealing a bridegroom.
And Waymar's difficulties until he, little by little, gains a niche at court.
EliminarIn the end, Byron is spared, yet banished to the Mountains of the Moon, where Mya spirits him away and marries him as compensation for the loss of Waymar. Add that Mya changed Byron's attitude, TotS style (yet gender-flipped, with a female tamer and male shrew).
Waymar's character and leave-taking of Mya, who breaks up with him calling him a traitor when he leaves the clan of the Burned Men to tend to the young royals. The fact that he was born a bastard, saved by a savage clan in the Mountains of the Moon, and now becomes Regent and an important person at court. Waymar's having one foot in each culture would be interesting to explore.
EliminarThese clans are descendants of the First Men who refused to bow to the Andals (ancestors of the Valefolk), so they still would believe in the old gods (vs. the Seven): beign Waymar Stone and Waymar son of Godric, believing in the old gods and the new, third-culture in between two feuding cultures...
And Byron/Tycho (false name he gives): who at first commands and beats his stepbrother before betraying him, kind of to let go of all those frustrations. Will he develop a suntan? Being a sellsword in a land of knights like the Vale, an outsider (he would wear a Braavosi mask together with his brightly coloured sellsword officer's garb)... I'd like to see him step into Waymar's shoes as an outsider during this recruitment quest and arrest (mistaken for an ally of clanfolk!) and trial and imprisonment... the Moon Door and Chillon-like sky-cells would do for a lot of drama, vertigo, angst...
The Burned Men being considered evil and crazy by the Valefolk, for overrunning villages and all that.
An orphaned Mya, leader no matter how young she is, saving Waymar from the inn on fire, and tending to his injuries, against her clanfolk's prejudice.
Waymar doing the self-mutilation ritual with a lock of his curly copper-red hair.
Mention of bride stealing, and Mya's saving of Waymar justified when she tells the others she is stealing a bridegroom.
And Waymar's difficulties until he, little by little, gains a niche at court.
In the end, Byron is spared, yet banished to the Mountains of the Moon, where Mya spirits him away and marries him as compensation for the loss of Waymar. Add that Mya changed Byron's attitude, TotS style (yet gender-flipped, with a female tamer and male shrew).
When Byron leaves Waymar to die in the inn stormed by the Burned Men, he should have got his stepbro drunk in advance, so that Waymar was unconscious when Byron fled for the coast and left him at the mercy of both the flames and the savages.
ResponderEliminarThe original story was also an ancient version of what I call the Monte Cristo plot (like Joseph of the Dreamcoat), a darker take on a gender-flipped Cinderella. Waymar would remind us of Dantès/Joseph, with a rather strange hill maiden, reminiscent of the robber maiden in TSQ-V, as the abbé/cupbearer/"fairy godmother" character.
EliminarAnd a little Rasputin (healing the queen's children, particularly her sickly little only son) thrown in, plus the usual feud between Valefolk and hillfolk (it would be like the Flemish and Walloons or something like that plus feuds between colonialists and natives across our planet--- <3 how Westeros parallels real history)
EliminarValefolk/hillfolk divide: colonialists/natives (Andals/1st Men) for sure.
EliminarAs for the Flanders/Wallonia parallel? The Valefolk are the ones who came from abroad (Flemish, Middle Ages), while the hillfolk = natives (Walloons, same time). Yet their case is closer to that of the Basque and Romans/Basque and Castilians in Spain, or those of colonialism mentioned by you.
(Something more akin to our Flemish would be the Reachfolk and descendants of Reachfolk living in the less industrial/refined North, the Northerners being the Walloons)
"(Something more akin to our Flemish would be the Reachfolk and descendants of Reachfolk living in the less industrial/refined North, the Northerners being the Walloons)"
EliminarLike Jorah's wife and the people of White Harbour, for instance.
The Northern Reachfolk would also somewhat equal the Hanseatics in the German Realm/HRE, sort of. But their case is more like the Flemish in the Benelux, or like all the Hanseatic, Dutch, and Wallonian refugees in Sweden (that foreign-born Swedish bourgeoisie).
The way they have adapted to more hinterlandish surroundings and culture is rather relevant...
Northern Reachfolk=Swedish bourgeoisie: that's the perfect parallel.
Eliminar"Hanseatic, Dutch, and Wallonian refugees in Sweden (that foreign-born Swedish bourgeoisie)." Worth noting for further ado of historical AUs.
But let's stop horsing around and get back to discussing our chapter!
One last word about Northern Reachfolk: their case is kind of interesting, proving that they are either descendants of misplaced refugees or brides/wives sent up north for marriages of convenience (Lynesse Mormont née Hightower being a case of the latter). The bourgeois of White Harbour and the Reach wives of Northern lords have to be told apart as different kinds of "Northern Reachfolk": those brought up north by war and those brought up north by marriage.
ResponderEliminarDISCUSSION ON CHAPTER RESUMES NOW.
OK, I have resolved making the maid, Waymar's mother, an orphan raised in a septry. Her name would be... Masha sounds good and like a commoner's name.
ResponderEliminar